Could Opal be the Earth Queen in Book 3 of the Legend of Korra?

All the way back in January, Alyson Stoner used her official website to confirm her role as Opal in the Legend of Korra. There was no word on which season her character would debut in, so it was assumed that Opal would appear in either Book 2 or Book 3. Now that Book 2 is all wrapped, we can confirm that Opal did not make an appearance during the season. This gives Alyson Stoner’s character more of a chance to appear in Book 3.

I did some research on ‘Opal’ and I found out that it’s technically a type of mineraloid. I won’t bore you with all the details, but the one thing we can take from the meaning of this name is that it has something to do with rock or earth. More specifically, Opal is a type of gemstone or jewel. Since Book 3 will most likely be a season dominated by the Earth Kingdom, it would only make sense that a character by the name of Opal would make an appearance.

But what type of role would Opal play in the new season? There’s no way to know for sure, but I think the fact that Opal is a type of jewel tips off one possibility.

One of the reasons why Book 3 could be an Earth Kingdom dominated season is because Bryan Konietzko has already discussed the idea of an Earth Queen in the Avatar World. There are many other factors that point to this expectation as well, but today I want to focus on the Earth Queen exclusively.

Is it possible that Opal could be the Earth Queen?

The first word that comes to mind when I think ‘Queen’ is royalty. And wouldn’t the name Opal (a type of jewel) fit perfectly with someone who is considered royalty?

It’s just something to think about, I suppose. But the way I see it, everything seems to fit. If you look back at past characters, many of their names are words from other languages that match their personality or fisique. Just to give a few examples, I’ve compiled a list:

  • ‘Yue’ means moon in Mandarin Chinese.
  • ‘Aang’ means peaceful, soaring.
  • ‘Gyatso’ means ocean of wisdom in Tibet.
  • ‘Bumi’ means earth in Sanskrit.

The list goes on and on; in fact, almost every major character has a name filled with some sort of meaning. It seems to be the Mike-and-Bryan-way. Why should Opal be any different?

What are your thoughts?

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  • Loklover

    You know, I’m really glad that u did a post about Opal. She’s been(and still is) a mystery to me. But from what you said about her name and everything, it would make perfect sense for her to be the earth queen. I just have one question tho..isn’t Alyson Stoner only like 20 or something? Wouldn’t her voice not fit an older women’s voice correctly?

    • Erin

      The Earth Queen could be young. Maybe during the season there might be a struggle for her to manage her power

      • Loklover

        Oh true!! Man I’m getting excited for book 3!

        • Eliminator

          Im excited to see, what happened with Ba Sing Se after Aang failed at the end of book 2 in ATLA and the earth king was “disempowered”. We saw the Order of the White Lotus retaking the city in the finals of book 3, but we don’t know anything since then…

          • Ariana Moreno

            yes! I was wondering what happened there as well! I wonder if Lin Beifong and her family had anything to do with that as well, (rebuilding ba sing se and claiming power back) especially toph. I’m wondering if Lin has relations/history of some kind with the earth queen

          • cgv bnm

            In The Promise Trilogy, it is shown that King Kuei is the Earth King once again. The Earth Queen could either a really old woman who was the Earth King’s daughter, or a really young one that is Kuei’s granddaughter.

  • Cody Dennison

    I can’t wait to hear more about this Opal character. :)

  • chewgum

    The cycke is air-water-earth-fire
    Book 1: air. Korra learn airbending (air)
    Book 2: spirit. War between north and south watertribe (water)
    Book 3: change. It’s focused on lin and earthkingdom. (Earth)
    Book 4: ?. It maybe connect with fire, and mako..<3

    • Kyle Edgecomb

      Maybe also the two firebenders that killed mako and bolins parents and asamis mother…unless it was the same firebender whose apart of some secret organisation? 0_0

      • chewgum

        yeah. i haven’t thought this, but it could be a possibility :]

        • Loklover

          Woah… I haven’t seen you post in a while!

      • lavan

        Wasn’t there a group in Republic city called the Agni Kai Triad?http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Agni_Kai_Triad

        I thought that the firebender(s) who killed Mako, Bolin, and Asami’s parents was/were a member of that group.

        • lavan

          “In 158 ASC, the Agni Kai Triad broke into the Sato estate. During the robbery, one of the members killed Hiroshi Sato’s wife,”

  • Kyle Edgecomb

    Honestly, I hope Nickelodeon decides to order a couple more books, cause korra could end by 2015 at the latest……leaving us in the dark after for another few years or forever!?

    • Eliminator

      I think, Mike and Bryan will conclude the Avatar story with the end of book 4.

      • Jessica

        They said they don’t have any plans for a 5th book. They want to spend more time with their families and stuff, after Book 4 ends. That’s understandable.

        • Eliminator

          First of all, they said, that LOK will end with book 4. They also said, that they have not planned another sequel to Avatar, and I doubt, that this will change. Most series are successful with one sequel, but get messed up with another one. Look at Harry Potter. I enjoyed everything till Book 5. My favorite books were 1 and 2. Everything in Book 6 and 7 was boring for me.

    • mdm
  • filmaker102

    Maybe she’s the earth king?

  • Sibis

    If Opal is a bender or was trained under Kyoshi Warrior, then expect her to likely see combat.

    Then there is the matter of Opal will ally with Korra, neutral, or opposition. Korra does need to make a new female friend or she could finally have a main female opposition.

    The age of the Queen will also matter. Will she be around Korra’s age, a few years older, or actually 10+ years.

    Will the direction of Opal be to mirror Korra? Opal has similar up bringing of being cut off from the world and groomed for the position.

    Or will the direction be something new to teach Korra a new lesson? Something like the leader follows the desires of the people.

  • Loklover

    KorraSpirits theory on The new picture of Lin
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB4w1P0sEpg

    • Sibis

      She must be wearing that white shirt as the image gives the appearance of her being topless.

      • Quagmire

        ……Giggity!…….

        • Quagmire

          In all seriousness, if you look at the full picture on Bryan’s tumblr, there is a thing on the bottom right that says 00:08:29, which means that this scene happened deep into the episode, so maybe something before this that triggered her nightmare, possibly an appearance/intro of the main villain, who is linked to Lin somehow.

          Also, based on the background: the green-ish wall and the wooden-framed windows, I’d say Lin is somewhere in the Earth Kingdom, possibly with Korra and others.

          Or I could be wrong and over-analyzing it, I don’t know.

          Either way, I’d tap dat. Giggity!

    • Josh

      Check out this AMAZING Christmas themed Legend of Korra AMV! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB7cGp19psc

  • Ariana Moreno

    Hmm, these are all interesting ideas. I wonder if Lin Beifong will have anything to do with or has any type of relations/history with the earth queen…just a thought. I also wonder if the Queen will have anything to say about how Korra handled the spirit portals, which resulted in spirits and humans are living together now…I wonder if she will be against it and hate Korra for it, or if she will support Korra’s ideas…

  • Mike
  • Sibis

    Mako and Bolin also had some develop with those shorts taking place after the murder of their parents.

    Asami could do with her own shorts.

    Episode 1 is about Asami living the happy life with both her parents which end with the mother getting killed.

    Episode 2-X jumps a little into the future a bit until Air. It shows Asami and Hiroshi going through life after the death.

  • matt brown

    It makes sense

  • Josh

    If anything Opal is probably the earth Queens daughter. I mean have you ever heard Alyson Stoners voice? Unless she has some amazing voice acting skills that I don’t know about, I don’t think she would be able to pull off the voice of a 30+ year old women. But I do think that you are correct in saying that the character of Opal is royalty.

    • Loklover

      I agree. And she voices Isabella on Phineas and Ferb right? Her voice on that show sounds so childish so I can’t imagine her voicing an older woman. I could be wrong tho…. guess we just have to wait til the season starts! (: oh and does anybody else love the name Opal as much as I do? But Opal is my birthstone too so maybe that’s why I like it so much lol

      • Sibis

        Opal will also have her legion of Earthside Girls capable of doing anything far advanced their normal age.

        Korra will be all like, “Wait until I tell mom.”
        Mako will be like, “Hey, Korra.”
        Korra will squeal, “Ah. Hey, Mako.”

        Can’t forget Paku the Fire Ferret stopping the evil Hiroshi Sato.

    • Sibis

      Batgirl in Young Justice.

  • Joe

    I’m gonna put this out there: Unalaq was not a bad villain! Everyone hates him and yes he wasn’t good as Amon – I agree with Keval in him being the best there has been. However Unalaq is no worse than the firelord, the firelord was so underdeveloped and just “evil”, Unalaq is no different so why is everyone so upset with him?!?!

    • Loklover

      1. Unalaq tells his evil plan directly to Korra.
      Unalaq: “But this time I’ll be here to level the plain fields. When Harmonic Convergence comes, I will fuse with Vaatu. And together will become the new avatar. A dark avatar.”(It’s like he wanted Korra to defeat him)
      2. Unalaq flat out tells Korra to next time go through the portal so she can bend.(Which was what frickin killed him in the end)
      “You should have come through the portal, then you can do this.”

      Unalaq was stupid.

      • Eliminator

        Haha, I thought about this, too. I guess he was just too confident at the end, and that defeated him.

        Also he could have killed Korra before Harmonic Convergence, when she and Team Avatar were captured in that northern encampment. He also said: “Keep them locked up. After the Harmonic Convergence, I will come for Korra.” WHY? Kill her before Harmonic Convergence is much safer…

        Also, after he ripped Raava out of Korra and destroyed her, he could easily kill Korra when she was unconscious… and he didn’t. Instead of that he rushed to Republic City… I would have been a better villain.

        • Loklover

          I know right?! I guess the reason y Unalaq didn’t kill Korra was because they needed to extend the fight to make it more epic and stuff…. haha. And I said this a while ago but, I thought it was pretty hilarious how UnaVaatu was using hyper beam and vine whip in the final battle vs Korra. Lol

          • Sibis

            Unalaq isn’t a killer. If he was, then Tanraq should have been shark bait.

            Vaatu had his issue with just Raava.

            Past this point, there is no motive to just slaughter everyone else. He’s not Frieza.

          • Joe

            So we’re going pokemon and DBZ now?! :D

          • Loklover

            Haha I’m just sayin :D it really reminded me of Pokemon tho XD

      • Joe

        Ok I agree that sometimes Unalaq said some stupid things like: “look for the light in the dark” but Ozai’s plan was always known as well it’s just the avatar never met him before the finale

        • Loklover

          Well actually team avatar didn’t know until “The Phoenix King” about Ozai’s crazy plan to annihilate the earth kingdom. But even though Aang didn’t meet Ozai, we still learned way more about him than we did about Unalaq. The flashback about Tonraq’s exile wasn’t important, instead they should’ve shown what motivated Unalaq into becoming a spiritual leader and how he teamed up with Vaatu. Also, I feel like time has a lot to do with developing a villain (or any character) too. The reason why Atla was so good was because the next book was always a continuation of the previous one. They had fantastic character development in both good and evil sides. Lok doesn’t have much time to do this, and every book has to start from scratch to get the story going and wastes too much time in the beginning. Don’t get me wrong tho, Lok is a fantastic series :D, but imo they need a villain that has a purpose to be evil, not just someone who randomly comes in and randomly decides to bring the spirits and humans together.

          • Joe

            what you have to remember is that LOK was never supposed to be past 1 series, we will see how well they actually link from book 2-3. Also whilst I agree on the character development in some aspects I do think LOK did develop some characters greater than what ATLA did. Case in point being Wan and Amon however unfortunately the actual main characters besides Tenzin and his siblings are a bit lacking. Finally if you think about it we found out about Ozai’s plan about 3 episodes before the end, it was also about 3 episodes in this book. The only difference being is that ATLA had a long standing villain, and they could’ve developed Ozai quite a bit more too :D

          • Loklover

            Yes. They developed Wan and Amon great! I don’t get why they couldn’t develop Unalaq the same way :

    • Sibis

      Unalaq got shafted for development by his brother Tonraq. We didn’t need to see any flashback about Tonraq getting exile. We should have been seeing Unalaq making his alliance with Vaatu and winning the spirits over.

      With the addition of the Search, we have more insight on Ozai. He’s a bottom line horrible person with no redeeming qualities. Murder, rape (forced marriage), child abuse, abusive, slavery, and etc.

      • Joe

        Yeah but you can’t use that argument about the search because that could happen to Unalaq given time. Looking at the cartoon alone Unalaq and Ozai were no different. Neither saw amazing development

    • Wyatt

      He wasn’t necessarily a bad villain, though his general straightforwardness as an antagonist made him a very mediocre character in a lot of people’s eyes.

      • Joe

        Yeah but then again I can say the same thing about Ozai, he was never not straightforward in his ploy to take over the world.

      • Heisenberg

        Hey, I just wanted to ask you a question. So, I sent my article to Keval on gmail yesterday. Should I expect a reply from him?

        • po-leece

          haha I read your comment in Heisenberg’s voice

          • Heisenberg

            Now, say my name.

  • Josh

    Keval’s post inspired me to do some research of my own. Like Keval, I believe that many of the characters names in Avatar, if not all, have special meaning. A lot of the names tell us about a characters personality, Opal is a stone that contains various colors, could this mean that the character Opal will have various personalities, similar to Dock/Shu from the ATLA episode, “The Painted Lady?” During my research I also found that the rarest colors for Opal to take are red and black. Instantly my mind began to think about the Black Swan. For those who do not know who that is, she is a women who suffered from multiple personality disorder and would constantly fight against her evil personality. Eventually she figures that the only way to defeat the dark version of herself would be to put an end to her own life. If the character Opal does end up having multiple personalities, she could be a villain, but also a hero at the same time.

    There is another theory that I have about Opal, and it ties more into the spiritual struggles of Book 3. I’ll probably post it later or when Keval post another article.

    Here are some pictures of the stone, Opal, and the Black swan.

    • Joe

      I wouldn’t say various personalities cause that starts making her sound very unstable as a character (mentally), I’d more go with she hides her true personality and it only comes out with certain people. If she is the queen it could be that we get the fake personality when doing royal duties but secretly she goes off every night into the city/town where her true personality comes out

  • phinerb

    here’s something to ruin your life:

    • Loklover

      Is your username Phineas and Ferb combined? I was just scrolling down the comment section and ur name caught my eye haha

    • Ariana Moreno

      dude, this is sad! what is this image supposed to mean? if you wanna know the first thought that came to mind with me, I thought they were surrounding zuko’s mother’s grave, since zuko is in the front…I don’t know. anyone else? maybe iroh? since everyone seems to be upset, and all of them knew him? though he is in the spirit world now, so I don’t know O.o

      • Loklover

        I know I didn’t know what these pictures meant either.

        • Ariana Moreno

          i wish the artist could tell us

  • Loklover

    Jeremy Zuckerman you frickin rock!

  • Loklover

    Aaahh!!! Christmas is in 2 dayyz! Sorry just had to get that off my chest…..

    • Eliminator

      right. Anybody want to write a Makorra one shot on fanfiction.net for christmas? That would be a nice present :)

      • Loklover

        Oh! You should ask Mike!! He commented somewhere on this post. He writes fantastic fanfics!

  • Emily Anderson

    Now I’m imagining this powerful Earth Queen saying “Wat’cha doin’?” In that girly Isabella voice on Phineas and Ferb. xD

    • Loklover

      OMG!! I know right!! Haha this is gonna be weird if she is voicing the earth queen lol

      • PurplePlatypusBear

        Yeah it totally would be if she used that voice but she doesn’t talk like that in real life. But imagine Isabella (the character on Phineas and Ferb) earthbending :P

        • Loklover

          Isabella and earthbending just doesn’t go together right Haha

    • Unitard

      Unless the queen is like, eleven :)

  • Stetso

    the creators DID say there’d be alot more ‘bumi’ this coming Book, so you may well have right to say this about the Earth Queen + Kingdom being a focus.

  • Eliminator

    I know, its kinda off topic, but I just wanted to write something about Makorra/Masami and other shippings:

    First of all, Korra and Mako will be together at the end of the story, since it’s quite unlikely that Korra fall in love with somebody else, and we all know, that the main character gets her happy end.
    Some fans think, that Asami has the right to have Mako since she was with him first, and that’s right. But Mako actually fell in love with Korra, and Asami disturbed their feelings before they were able to realize them.
    Masami has never worked because Mako has never returned her feelings. In my opinion Asami really wanted this relationship and worked for it (dating him, sponsoring the pro bending tournament), but at the end, Mako broke up with her. When Korra was captured by Tarrlok he wasn’t able to hide his true feelings anymore, and in that moment, he decided to choose Korra over Asami, and of course Korra appreciated it, why shouldn’t she?
    A happy 6-months relationship followed, there wasn’t much stress for both of them and that’s why it worked so well, but then Korras duty as the Avatar and Makos police work crossed each other and that put a strain in their relationship. They broke up, but none of them wanted it. After Korra disappeared and was almost killed by a dark spirit, Asami saw her chance to get Mako back. A quite sneaky move, isn’t it? If she had not dated Mako and kissed him again, Mako and Korra would have been together again at the end of book 2. While Korra tried to ignore her feeling to Mako in book 1 (to hold the new Team Avatar together) and tried her best to support Mako and Asami, Asami just returned in book 2 and messed their relationship up and was probably happy, that her competitor was out of the way. There are several reasons, why Asami isn’t that innocent as she seems to be. When Korra was captured, she was kinda surprised, that Mako was worried about her. She even asked Bolin: “Hey, is Mako all right? He seems really worried about Korra.” As a friend of Korra she should have been worried, too, and there were other priorities than asking whether Mako has feelings for Korra… Korra mostly knew, what is important and what can be discussed later, Asami just does everything she wants, and thats not okay.
    So who is guilty?
    I don’t say, that Korra is innocent, but she had her reasons. She had huge responsibilities and was really stressed. She needed somebody to comfort her and give her the strength in that tough time, but Mako just turned against her. While Korra had some serious character develoment during book 1 and especially book 2, Mako is still the old one, who can’t choose between the two girls and break up with Asami for good. Hopefully we see him struggle in book 3 without Korra, and maybe then, he will finally realize, how important she is.
    We all know (seems like some do not), that Makorra will happen for sure. It is not, what we guess, it is a fact. Similar to ATLA, Kataang was sure, too, although many people supported Zutara, but it was crystal clear, that Katara and Aang would be together at the end of book 3. Same with LOK and Makorra. Let’s just hope, that Bryan and Mike show us a good development between them, and don’t let them rush into a relationship like in book 1.
    So… summary:
    Makorra – will happen for sure. Also the last talk between them (I’ll always love you, Korra. – And I’ll always love you.) is prove enough.
    Masami – Impossible since Makos feelings to Asami are not as strong as the feelings to Korra. Also (sorry, I am not discriminating non benders) it’s such a waste if Mako, even though he is a jerk, as a talented fire bender, ends up with a non bender, who has not contributed to Team Avatar at all (particularly in book 2).
    Borra – this is an awkward pairing, and since Korra won’t return his feelings for sure, we don’t even need to discuss this further. Also, Bolin accepted it, and moved on with his love life.
    Bosami – no, since Mike said: “And Bolin is really trying to find his way in life and love, which leads him into an awkward relationship with Eska. Asami will always be a friend. I don’t think there’s romance in the cards for them.”
    Any other shippings – are their any possible ones? No comments to Korra/Amon, Korra/Tarrlok, Korra/Asami, Korra/Tahno, Korra/Iroh, Iroh/Asami. Most of them are wrong (they shouldn’t be considered, they shouldn’t even be thought!), and others, like Iroh/Asami could be possible if Asami will still be a member of Team Avatar. In my opinion, Asami has served it’s purpose and should be excluded from the story. She is powerless against spirits, just look at the finals of book 2, she had to retreat. But… if the creators keep her as a supportihg / minor role in book 3/4, and if she gets a happy end as well, maybe Iroh/Asami?!

    • Loklover

      I’m only going for Iroh/Asami if it means that Asami will be out of the way of Mako and Korra’s relationship. But it would make it easier if they just cut Asami out of the picture like you said, so she doesn’t cause anymore trouble between Mako and Korra.

      • Eliminator

        Yeah, it’s true. Anyway, you should have a look on this facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/300193246730185/
        raged me more than once… not many makorra fans in it, but some Masami fans, Mako haters, and even some Korra haters. (f*** them all)
        Just a question: Why should anybody watch LOK if he/she hates Korra / the main character? I don’t get it, you can’t hate Korra, if you like the show in my opinion.

        • Loklover

          I will always ship Makorra! Let the haters hate on Mako and Korra, we all know that their endgame. And to all the people against Makorra (In the words of Korra)….YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT!!!! Hahaha

          • Ariana Moreno

            why though? why is he worth any girl’s time? Have you not seen all the ways in which he handled things with Asami and Korra the wrong way?

          • Ariana Moreno

            to me this is what it means to be a blind fan. praising something without reason or logic. at least explain why you think Mako is the right guy for Korra, despite all of that stuff he pulled between the two of them and Asami. I don’t understand.

          • Sibis

            Korra is the main female character. Mako is seen as the top male character.

            Nothing more than destiny wistful thinking

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah, but it gets overrated. It seems like people seem to take it too far. it gets old is what my point is. I really am being honest when I wanna see why people think Mako would make a good partner for Korra. Can’t people for once just think that there’s more to pairing people up for something other than the sake of both being main characters?

          • Sibis

            This brings up a romance in Highschool of the Dead.

            Takashi is in a similar position to Mako, an indecisive jerk. Rei is Korra. Hisashi is this better boyfriend Rei dated in response to Takashi’s indecisiveness.

            Later there are times when Rei will make comparisons between Takashi and Hisashi.

          • Ariana Moreno

            Still. The main character thing is overrated. Bottom line is Korra deserves to be with someone who isn’t an asshole. She shouldn’t be shipped with someone just because people think they’re cute, or “destined.” it doesn’t mean it’s right.

          • Heisenberg

            Pfft… Mako is no where near the top. If any male character is near the top it’s Tenzin.

          • Ariana Moreno

            hahah XD yeah buddy. see? I don’t even see him as the main character either. pairing up two characters just because they are “main” is bullshit

          • Heisenberg

            Totally

          • Ariana Moreno

            as far as i’m concerned, it’s a lame ass excuse, so that people won’t have to argue as to why they believe two people should be together

          • Heisenberg

            You got it. Don’t forget the fanservice that it is for Zutara shippers that didn’t have their dreams come true in ATLA.. you know the dreamy fire/water couple.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah, i mean i honestly preferred it more than kataang, but whatever. i can see what you mean now by the fact that they are trying to compensate for that because they want to satisfy fans who were upset about Katara ending up with Aang instead, but even I can’t stand the makorra shipping, so, so much for that XD

          • Ariana Moreno

            I mean the only absolute way I will change my mind about makorra, and mako for that matter, is if he grows one and becomes a really lovable character like zuko was, or anyone in ATLA for that matter. Someone we truly care for, and has depth, and reasoning. not just there for fan girls and fan service. when mako becomes lovable, then i may change my mind, but time is running out, and he only has 2 books left to prove himself worthy.

          • Heisenberg

            Same, but I doubt that will ever happen.

          • Ariana Moreno

            really? how come?

          • Heisenberg

            Halfway through the show and all the main cast, aside from Korra, are the same as they were when introduced. So…. No hope for any of them to actually change but you never know.

          • Sibis

            Also this would mean more Mako focus while everyone else is neglected.

          • Heisenberg

            Oh, God no! I don’t want Mako focused >< The Sting episode gave me enough creeps as it is.. This bastard cannot carry an episode alone, we need Korra or else we're doomed.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yes. please no Mako alone. i hate him enough as it is.

          • Ariana Moreno

            hm..okay. you’re right in the fact that we will never know till it’s all over, but yeah, that’s why i’m saying, time is running out. only 2 books left

          • Heisenberg

            26 episodes in total

          • Ariana Moreno

            hm. lets just see what happens. otherwise, I feel bad as hell for Korra if she’s stuck with mako

          • Heisenberg

            Yeah, same here. She could do way better.. or she could stay single, learn how she develops as a fully realized avatar and how she becomes a legend and give a crap about her romantic life.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah. i just wish that they put romance in this series the way they did with ATLA. I wonder why they did it differently this time

          • Heisenberg

            One word… Fanservice

          • Ariana Moreno

            oh yeah. duh lol. that’s what we kind of mentioned. didn’t the creators know though that fans liked it the way it was in ATLA to begin with? I’m not talking about them compensating for the fire/water couple itself, but the way romance was overdone in book 2, compared to ATLA. why did they choose to do it a lot more when fans were happy about it already as it was in ATLA? I was. weren’t you?

          • Heisenberg

            I was and not only that. You see I wouldn’t mind if Katara ended up with Zuko since Zuko’s one of the most respectable guy you’ll ever find, he truly values commitment. Girls are like bees swarming around him and he doesn’t bother, he’s only interested in Mai. Bryko just played it safe in ATLA and put Katara with Aang, it still works since both of them are loveable characters. However, Mako’s a controversial character and the fact the the protagonist has to fall for him doesn’t work and angers everyone.

          • Sibis

            Mako has no counterbalance. There is barely anyone to challenge him for his faults and mistakes.

            Everyone just winds up kissing his ass.

          • Heisenberg

            Those who do are blind to see flaws in personalities and judge simply on appearance. I swear to God, I don’t even know how girls can love this guy.. I mean, he doesn’t value loyalty or commitment and has no respects for the girls he date. Why girls love him is beyond me.

          • Ariana Moreno

            that’s what i’m saying!! exactly.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah. plus the commitment thing is what bugs me a lot with mako. if he had been more like zuko and stayed loyal to either korra or asami , whoever, despite being chased by both of them, it would’ve been better than him going back and forth, especially in front of both the girls. i’m just wondering why the creators chose to execute romance differently with them, as supposed to making mako more loyal like zuko

          • Heisenberg

            Looks like Bryke thought appearance was enough. It’s weird, the more I think about this new cast of characters, the more I miss ATLA.

          • Ariana Moreno

            hm. yeah. so you see what i’m saying. But, besides the romance stuff, I like the legend of Korra for other reasons. no need to debate why, because I’ve explained why I feel that way a hundred times. book 1 was awesome, book 2 went downhill, in most aspects for me, but lets see how book 3 and 4 turn out before we make a compete judgment on the series as a whole. that’s what my plan is at least

          • Heisenberg

            I’m not saying LOK sucks, I’m just saying I miss ATLA’s cast.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah i know. i’m just telling you what my thoughts are in response

          • Ariana Moreno

            if you look, eliminator made a comment that korra and mako are gonna end up together, and it’s a guarantee. but for me, that doesn’t mean it’s right. just because things are “destined” or “supposed to happen” doesn’t mean it’s right in the end. i don’t think makorra is right just because it’s most likely that they will end up together, and just because fans expect it.

          • Heisenberg

            Well, if they were destined I don’t think they would’ve broken up in Book 2 from the start. Look at what Korra said “For real this time” which means even the creators knew they took it too far.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah, but eliminator , and other fans claim that this is just a little ”break” that the creators are taking from the romance to avoid further anger from fans. people are saying that the creators saying that they are “leaving the romance alone” is all a misunderstanding. so if it’s bound to continue like everyone claims, doesn’t that mean that they will end up back together like everyone is expecting? look at eliminator’s argument. that’s what i’m talking about. it’s around here. i don’t believe it’s a guarantee like eliminator says, but that’s what everyone seems to think. i disagree with it all in all. that’s my point

          • Heisenberg

            It’s hard to predict, so we’ll have to wait and see.

          • Ariana Moreno

            it all comes back down to our preferences. if he becomes lovable, and he ends up with korra, then cool beans. if he becomes lovable, and still stays separated, i don’t care, but if he ends up with korra, and he still sucks, then I’m sorry korra. all we can do is wait like you’re saying.

          • Eliminator

            I agree with you. See, even though I am a Makorra fan, I still want to have it happen in a good way, with a good development between them. I wouldn’t be satisfied if book 4 just ends with a quick I love you – I love you, too, when Mako is still the old one.

          • Eliminator

            When Zutara shippers started to roam the fan base, I had no doubt, that Kataang would still win. Same about Makorra. Mike and Bryan know, that if they fix the mess they caused, the majority of fans will be still happy with Makorra. Yes, fan service, but wouldn’t you do anything to make your fans happy and leave a good impression of LOK at the end of book 4? Wouldn’t you support Makorra if Mako completely changes and copies Zuko?

          • Sibis

            When it comes to the actual meat of a relationship, Mako fails.

            His relationship with Asami was pretty much one sided.

            He was generally evasive and indecisive with Korra.

            Frankly, his ideal girl has low maintenance.

          • Heisenberg

            His ideal girl can be paid by night if you know what I mean…

          • Sibis

            She better ask for the money upfront before his fickleness kicks in.

            *Blank* and dash.

          • Heisenberg

            Hahaha

          • Ariana Moreno

            dude, even if i were payed to be with him, i still wouldn’t do it XD

          • Heisenberg

            No one with a right set of values would.

          • Ariana Moreno

            exactly. nuff said

          • Ariana Moreno

            which is why i don’t understand why he is worth any girl’s time at all and why people think he deserves a partner when he can’t handle it

          • Sibis

            The writers are covering for Mako. There’s no other reason.

          • Ariana Moreno

            i can see that obviously, but i’m also talking about fans backing him up and supporting him with a girl at all too

          • Sibis

            They don’t see Mako doing any wrong. If the show doesn’t acknowledge it, then it isn’t wrong.

            Korra was seen in the right for threatening to murder the judge. Mako was seen in the right for threatening to mutilate a criminal.

          • Ariana Moreno

            how can that be when i see that it’s wrong? when other fans who hate mako see it’s wrong? people disagree with korra and some of the stuff she does, i mean take the spirit portals being left open, and take asami reintroducing the love triangle again for example. makorra shippers hate asami for “ruining the chemistry between mako and korra” that just proves that people can still see something is wrong despite the show making it look like it isn’t an issue. it’s all a matter of the way people perceive things and whether or not they use logic to back up their thoughts and views. it’s not whether or not the show displays something as ”right or wrong” but the way fans take it. because things are gonna be ”wright or wrong” according to all fans, but the trick is to use logic to argue those points, and not just say shit for the hell of it.

          • Sibis

            Some of these Makorra fans have disdain towards Asami with a couple wanting blood.

            It was Mako who got Asami to keep going. She was ready to quit and move on from trying to save FI the last vestige of her family. He was the one putting himself in the position to be her support pillar.

            Of course a rock bottom character is going to get clingy when someone tries to play their one and only hope.

            Mako is a mix bag of things wrong. At one aspect, he’s self righteous as he sees himself doing no wrong or what is best. Tells Asami he never do anything to hurt her. Lied to Korra beliving he was doing it in her best interests.

          • Ariana Moreno

            there you go! you are explaining your argument and backing it up! that’s what i’m talking bout XD but however, I still think that Mako is someone who needs a lot of work. I mean he is still pretty useless, and still an asshole. he may believe that what he was doing was right, but that doesn’t mean it is. that’s what a mistake is. something you believe is right in the moment or at first, but then it turns out to be bad later, and you realize that. mako is full of mistakes

          • Eliminator

            people who ignore the issue of the love triangle are blind. I still dont get it, why Mike and Bryan introduced the love triangle again. At the end of book 1, the most fans were happy with Makorra. They would still be, if Mako wasn’t an asshole. I hope, this can be fixed, otherwise I can’t say, that i enjoyed LOK till the end.

          • Eliminator

            the creators didn’t know, that fans are angry with the love triangle, when they wrote book 2…

          • Heisenberg

            Dude, when Korra says “For real this time”, you know something went wrong, and the creators took knowledge of it.

          • Eliminator

            Mike and Bryan dislike the idea, that LOK should be like ATLA. However, almost everybody compares those two series.

          • Heisenberg

            It’s a shame that LOK shouldn’t be like ATLA since all of their popularity came from it. It shouldn’t be a 100% copy-paste but they should seriously look back at ATLA, analyze what made it so good and apply it to LOK.

          • Eliminator

            So, what do you suggest for the next 2 books? What made ATLA so special? What made the old Team Avatar legendary?

          • Heisenberg

            I won’t talk much about it since it’s all in my article but I’ll summarize it quickly; their original backstories, their drives and goals, what makes them special, each one has a specific role, so on and so forth. Compare both casts in the middle of each one of their shows (both atla and lok) and you’ll see a huge ass difference.

          • Sibis

            His relationships akin close to an anime harem.

            Everyone has to love Mako.

          • Heisenberg

            I fucking hate harems. They’re useless, irritating and is far from being relatable for any audience.

          • Ariana Moreno

            people who love Mako are illogical. or, they have no respect for girls, or themselves if they were to fall for a guy like him in real life. At least from a realistic view. no one can deny that he’s an ass.

          • Eliminator

            it took 6-8 episodes for people to completely change their mind about Zuko, so there is still enough time.

          • Ariana Moreno

            well, for me, I cared for zuko from the beginning, because he had reason, and he was fighting for a probable cause for everything he was doing. I already explained this all to you in a paragraph responding to your other comment, so no need to realist all the reasons again, but think about it…you said on average it took 6-8 episodes to get people to change their mind about zuko? well what the hell is taking so long with mako then? it’s already been 26 episodes into the series, and mako still hasn’t convinced fans like myself to change my mind about the way i see him and feel about him as a character. if he is gonna change it better happen before it’s too late, cause time is running out quickly.

          • Eliminator

            well, i hated Zuko for the first 50 episodes of ATLA till he decided to turn against his father. Anyway I was 12, when I started to watch ATLA, I just thought: This guy is evil, i hate him!

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah i was young too, but that’s understandable, not all people think that deeply about things, but i on the other hand still felt for zuko, and i have always thought deeply about things, so it’s kind of habit.

          • Eliminator

            dreamy fire / water couple? I was never a fan of Zutara although I would ship Makorra, if Mako developes.

          • Eliminator

            there is only one main character – Korra, at least in book 2. you can argue about, whether Tenzin is kinda co-main-character. in book 1, you can consider Mako and Bolin as main characters, they got as much screen time as Korra got.

          • Eliminator

            Right, Tenzin is the top male character, but you cant ship Tenzin and Korra, so it stays with Makorra, if you follow the “ship main character” theory, which I heavily disagree.

          • Heisenberg

            What you don’t get is that Korra doesn’t necessarily have to be part of any relationship. Where’s the problem if she stays single? Look at Wan, he was part of no relationship and people love him more than Korra, now. If anything, it gets all of the controversy out of the way and the fandom wouldn’t be as divided as it was in the first two books.

          • Eliminator

            That would be horrible for a huge amount of fans. Wan was indeed nice, but he didn’t top Korra in my opinion.. I am one of the fans, who do care about the romantic arcs. It’s part of the show.
            A completely action adventure story was not something I looked forward in LOK.

          • Heisenberg

            Why would that be horrible? Love doesn’t have to be part of everyone’s life, especially in one’s teenage years. Don’t be a drama queen and get real, this is ATLA/LOK not Twilight.

          • Sibis

            Wan and Raava were written close to a couple. Especially in the end where she said they would be together forever.

          • Ariana Moreno

            uh, no i didn’t see it like that. It wasn’t a romantic way that Raava said that to wan, she meant it like they were a team, and the reincarnation of the avatars to come would mean that raava’s spirit would be inside them, because that is the bond the avatar has with her. she meant she would be with his future reincarnations, as a team, and as the avatar spirit inside them, not as a romantic partner XD hahaha that’s a funny thought though. sadly i have seen fans pair them up as a romantic couple and i thought it was retarded XD it made no sense to me at all

          • Heisenberg

            You saw that as romance? Christ, can’t a female character talk to a male character in this show without being automatically shipped or be considered flirting or whatever.

          • Ariana Moreno

            that’s what i said too XD it’s freaking retarded.

          • Heisenberg

            Fans take it too far in this show, it’s out of control. Oh, and Merry Christmas, by the way (in case I won’t be able to tell it to you tomorrow.)

          • Ariana Moreno

            You as well thanks

          • Heisenberg

            Looks like you’re using one of my argument tactics’ the blind fan and the explaining of why one likes something. ;) I hope my article gets published, Mako fans will definitely find it intriguing…

          • Ariana Moreno

            well, we both came up with what a blind fan was remember? XD so it’s both of our ideas combined. i told you you taught me how to argue haha. it was useful arguing with you till we both got nowhere. i mean i remember arguing with you and i told you i backed up my ideas, which is what i’m asking this person to do

          • Heisenberg

            Lol, you were never bad

          • Ariana Moreno

            i know, but we always have room for improvement XD i know i was aggressive as hell! won’t deny that, but i did gain some things from it that’s all

          • Heisenberg

            Same.

          • Ariana Moreno

            you should see the arguing that was going on today between me and lok and eliminator…those guys won’t back up why they support mako and the makorra shipping. they won’t answer my challenges XD it’s hilarious

          • Heisenberg

            Hahaha, on this article? I’ve had my arguments with them as well. It’s hard to convince someone to change something that’s purely opinion even if Mako is a son of a bitch for a fact.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah on here. it’s all over the place. sadly, yeah, but it just annoys me when people support stuff i don’t agree with, and much more when they can’t even back up why

          • Heisenberg

            I know the feeling

          • Eliminator

            I think, most fans of this blog know it :p nothing special

          • Ariana Moreno

            well then you should be able to understand why i argue back with what makorra shippers have to say, because it seems like they just like them for no really good reason. i have yet to see people back it up and use logical reasoning, as to why mako is a good person for korra to be with, for any girl to be with for that matter.

          • Eliminator

            I understand you… but it seems like you are only satisfied if i hate him.

          • Ariana Moreno

            no, you can think whatever, but that doesn’t mean i agree that it’s logical.

          • Eliminator

            It is logical :) Seriously, I just watched The Sting again, that episode really killed Makos character… Whatever, we will see, how he acts in book 3.

          • Ariana Moreno

            he is inconsistent with his strengths. he seems to be more of a harm than help like i said. his flaws outweigh his strengths, and the so called strengths that you list are not good enough to convince someone that mako is worth any praise at all.

          • Eliminator

            You can’t expect people always to agree with you :)
            I already said, the love triangle was poor, I usually ignore it. Then you’ll see Mako as a completely different person. I know, we can’t just ignore it, but as I said, the creators messed that up. I prefer a romantic plot without love drama, I would have liked Mako if he had been still in a nice relationship with Korra at the end of book 2 and rejected Asami.

          • Ariana Moreno

            not really true. Mako is messed up in many areas, not just romantically. if you look above i gave you two other examples, about how he came across in book 1 to begin with. he was a jerk to korra, and to the other member in the pro bending fire ferret team. he seemed very intolerable of Bolin as well. He is also quite useless and only causes harm in the series. If his flaws outweigh his strengths, then he isn’t that good of a character.

          • Eliminator

            How was he intolerable to Bolin? He protected and fed him since their parents died… He worked a lot in the power plants to get enough money.
            About that Bolin – Mako fight in The Sting: Well, Mako really wanted to help Asami and since Korra is gone, he expected his little brother to help, but he rejected him.

          • Ariana Moreno

            alright. he took care of them, but he still seems to lose his patience with Bolin a lot. he also contributed to hurting Bolin by kissing Korra in front of him. how is that not a dick move? Bolin was hurt, Asami was hurt multiple times, and even korra. if you look at all of these situations, what is the common factor? Mako! he’s just causing problems.

          • Sibis

            Before the Mako and Korra kiss after the match, he created the circumstances for the moment by going after her quickly to backpedal his “I’m not interested.”

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah! i mean it’s like he wants the best of both worlds! he didn’t care that Bolin was interested, and the fact is he knew Bolin was interested. He didn’t give a shit. Did that stop him? Did he stop to think how a kiss with korra could affect Bolin and how he feels? No.

          • Sibis

            Earlier in that episode, Mako was trying to convince Bolin to stay away from Korra.

            Mako knew Bolin was into Korra, but it wasn’t until episode 5 that he actually had an interest in her as well.

            Before she confessed her feelings, Mako was open to the idea of Korra.

          • Ariana Moreno

            still. my point is that despite Bolin, he chose to take advantage of everything, even if it meant compromising others’ feelings. he sucks

          • Eliminator

            Korra was not interested in Bolin. Korra hurt Bolin, Mako hurt Asami, see, they fit each other, lol! (that was a joke, dont take it serious!)

          • Ariana Moreno

            if you look, we’re considered “haters” according to them. they basically say stuff like, “f*** them all”. it’s here. just look around

          • Heisenberg

            Well, they can suck on my jimmies if they like Mako

          • Ariana Moreno

            haha XD

          • Eliminator

            I didn’t mean to offend you, as long as you have good reasons not to like Mako it’s okay. I guess you misunderstood my point.
            To be honest, I was in a really bad mood, when I read some pointless posts in that facebook group. Disliking Mako is okay, he deserved it, disliking Korra is just crazy. And when the next person says something about “I would like to see Korrasami book 4″… I was really really really pissed off. Sorry about that.

          • Ariana Moreno

            okay, but if you look at my paragraph rants on mako, i listed plenty of good reasons as to why the guy is detestable. just look around

          • Eliminator

            There wasn’t much you had to convince me… I agreed with you. Just because I try to remain neutral (and I’m not a fan of saying: “son of bitch” – constructive criticism preferred) does not mean, that his actions were acceptable.

          • Ariana Moreno

            alright, if i didn’t convince you that’s alright. my goal is to get people to think, and to support what they believe in. if i disagree though, i’m definitely gonna argue back and state why. if i can use logical reasoning to say that others don’t’ get it, i will certainly do so.

          • Eliminator

            That’s the spirit! I like that attitude.
            look at my answers. I’m trying to “back up” now, but anyway, everything Loklover said about Mako/Makorra is also what I would have posted. She mostly used material we discussed some weeks ago…

          • Ariana Moreno

            what? XD that’s what i was trying to get you to do this whole time, was argue. you didn’t care to do so at first

          • Eliminator

            because Im getting sick to write the same stuff over weeks. The discussion about the romantic arcs, about Mako, Korra and Asami is nothing new. xP

          • Ariana Moreno

            but still. i just wanted to see why you and others ship makorra, and praise mako. knowing why is something i like to do,especially when someone’s views are illogical

          • Loklover

            Dude, seriously? Just because I don’t answer your comment fast doesn’t mean that I’m to scared to challenge you. Honestly I would if I wanted to. But your just wasting my time. I do have a life you know… but it seems like you don’t.

            And this is a freakin comment section! Everyone has their opinions! I respect yours and you should respect mine! I don’t need someone challenging me on something that I like. I ship Makorra! I don’t need to explain myself if I don’t want to. You can say “oh Loklover cant back up the reasons why she ships Makorra” but I honestly don’t care. I don’t want to have a long useless debate on Makorra if it won’t change either of our minds.

            And in Eliminators defense, he lives in Germany. I’m not sure what time it is over there so that’s probably why he isn’t commenting.

          • Ariana Moreno

            well, if you don’t care, why are you posting a response to what i think? it’s like you said, everyone has their own opinions right? XD and if i’m wasting your time, why did you take all the energy to type this paragraph to get after me? XD

          • Loklover

            I have a life, but I also love The Legend of Korra. But I do agree it was sort of hypocritical of me to say that you commented way to much on this post. I apologize for that. Of course I love commenting on this blog as much as you do but it just irritated me how you called me and Eliminator out. We ship Makorra. Why can’t we just leave it at that?

            And I didn’t mean to come off as a jerk. I’m not trying to pick a fight here. I respect what you think.

          • Ariana Moreno

            you’re fine. sorry for coming across as a jerk as well, but i just get fired up with these types of things. when i feel strongly enough about something, i’m willing to go all out to defend what i believe about it and how i feel, even if it means calling someone out. i was wrong for making it personal like that so sorry, but really though. i don’t mind that people like you have a different view than me, i just love to know why, especially if it’s something i strongly disagree with, now when it’s something i feel that strongly about, maybe it does irritate me, but that’s what makes the whole point of a comment section, so people can agree, disagree, debate, and argue all they want! where’s the fun if people choose to state stuff and not back themselves up? especially when they simply state that others who appose the view are “haters” or “fuck them all” that’s what you guys were stating in your little conversation and that kind of irritated me as well. but again, my bad. i’m aggressive when it comes to making points. just know that

          • Loklover

            Yea girl your a strong debater(in a good way)!! :) I agree that it wasn’t necessary for me to call people who dislike Mako “haters.” Your opinion is well respected on this blog :D But I will tell you why I like Mako and Korra.

            I like Mako and Korra because in my eyes they are the only pairing that truly love and care for each other. Mako and Korra may be different but they just work. The only thing that ruined their relationship was their jobs. It finally came to the point where Mako and Korra’s jobs crossed. It would happen eventually, but this break up is just another bump in the road of their relationship. Comparing Makorras relationship to Masami’s, there wasn’t love in the Masami pairing. The only reason why Mako liked Asami was becuz of her looks and becuz she sponsored their team. He felt like he owed her something. But with Korra it was totally different. He didn’t even like her at the beginning, but he grew to love her over time. He didn’t care whether she was the avatar or not he loves her for who she is. And that’s, to me, what love should be.

            And to Makos defense, Asami was all over him, he didn’t even have room to breathe!! Haha XD

          • Ariana Moreno

            well thanks for that XD and you as well! see?? there we go! you’re backing yourself up and that’s what i love to see!! awesome :) but anyway, hm, i have to ask something…if mako really loved korra, don’t you think he wouldn’t have been split from the beginning? you see, i don’t believe you can love two people at once. yes, he fell for asami first, but then he switched over to korra kind of in the middle of being with asami. not only that, but if he really loved korra, i think he would’ve handled the way he treated their relationship more seriously. he would’ve been loyal to her as supposed to going back to asami just because korra was gone. he went back and forth, and he is unfaithful. he also took advantage of korra losing her memory in the finale, and he kissed her knowing that she didn’t know that they broke up, just so he could sneak some extra “googly touching” in there. he knew they broke up, and he knew that she didn’t so he took advantage of that and he touched her affectionately even though she was supposed to get the idea that they broke up. and, in the meantime, while he’s doing that to korra, he’s still with asami! what the hell? what kind of guy kisses his ex while he’s with another girl?! especially since he knew korra didn’t know about it because of her losing her memory? if you love someone, you will be honest with them, and be genuine. but mako was dishonest with korra, and unfaithful. he was a complete womanizer, maximizing what he could get out of both of them. if he loved korra, he would’ve been honest and straight forward from the beginning, telling asami that he and korra were together and it was gonna stay that way. he could’ve been straight forward with both of them, but he wasn’t. even if he thought he was right and justified in what he did, that doesn’t make it less wrong. if you notice, he seems to be doing more harm to asami and korra than helping them. i still fail to see why he makes a good partner for korra. and with that being said, it’s not even just the way he treats just korra, but women in general. he has no respect for them, and he can’t handle a relationship properly. this means that him as a person, is messed up and has a lot to work on. me loving Korra and caring who she ends up with, is gonna see that she needs someone who is better and more right with themselves than Mako

          • Loklover

            Wow. You type a lot and fast lol. But I feel like Mako kind of did the right thing by not telling Korra about the break up. I admit the kissing korra and while she didn’t know they broke up part was really bad, but the only reason why Mako didn’t tell Korra about the break up was becuz he didn’t want to give her more things to worry about. korra already was worried about possibly losing her parents, her tribe and saving the world. Telling Korra that they broke up would only give Korra more things to worry about. And actually Korra knew they broke up after being the tree of time. So technically Korra knew the situation she was in when Mako kissed her

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah, but when it all comes down to it, isn’t the harsh truth better than a happy lie? it’s like that saying, that a true friend will tell you hurtful things, but the devil gives kisses… i don’t know but something like that. you get the point. anyway, still. with the way mako is in general with women, and how he handled everything, doesn’t help to convince me that he is worth Korra’s time. I mean did it not bother you how he switched back and fourth between the two? especially in front of one another? if you want examples, i can list some. oh and if i were korra since she did deep down remember the breakup in the finale while mako kissed her, i would’ve been like, woah, make up your mind, either you broke up with me or you didn’t. because if she saw in the tree of time that they broke up, and then he kissed her once she saved the world afterward, she should’ve been like, wait, we broke up, so why the hell are you kissing me? you’re with asami right now! plus, even if she did really know deep down, he thought that she didn’t so therefore he was trying to take advantage of that speculation. girl, come on. no one can deny that he’s an asshole. he did stuff behind their backs, he was unloyal, and he used them for his benefit. i don’t see him as the right guy for korra. for any girl of that matter. look at how many time s he hurt asami. look at how he hurt korra as well! i think his flaws outweigh his strengths big time. you really can’t deny that. like i said, it brings me back to that point that even it he wasn’t completely a douche to korra, he disrespects women in general, and doesn’t know what it means to be in a real committed relationship. i wouldn’t want to be with a guy like that, and i hope korra doesn’t end up with him for that reason. now, granted, he could possible change between now and the end of the series, and if that ever does happen, then awesome! i won’t mind the shipping of them that much, but if he doesn’t then i won’t change my mind. we’ll have to see what happens, but i’m not too sure about it. bottom line, mako disrespects women, and doesn’t know how to be committed. he sucks, and korra deserves better

          • Loklover

            You know, your debates are really starting to question my thoughts on Makorra. You are absolutely right, mako has treated Asami, and Korra, like shit. I’m not gonna lie I shipped Zutara.and this may be a part of why I ship Makorra. But yea, Mako has no respect for women. Maybe everyone should just stay single for a while. Haha

          • Ariana Moreno

            exactly. you’re starting to really look at the bigger picture. thats a point that someone else brought up on here and i agree with it. the whole makorra or water/fire couple thing was just to compensate for the fact that fans were upset that Katara didn’t end up with Zuko, but with Aang instead. I was one of those people as well. I would’ve preferred Zuko and Katara together because (unlike Mako) Zuko knew how to be the right person when it came to relationships. he was lovable and he was truly cared for by the fans. he was loyal as well, very respectable, and he didn’t let the fact that multiple girls liking him would compromise his values and love for mai who he stuck with the whole time. mako? pshh, the guy is only there for the sake of making fans happy to make up for kataang instead of zutara. he didn’t stay loyal, and he tried to get the best out of both asami and korra. he isn’t ready for a relationship. he isn’t loyal or committed. he’s untruthful and and selfish. yes, for now everyone should stay single and do some real developing, and maturing, then like i said, if mako is lovable, then i really wouldn’t mind him being with korra. but just look at him. think about what i mentioned. people probably like him based on looks and nothing else. otherwise, how much do you wanna bet that if he looked uglier, it would be harder to support him?

          • Loklover

            I agree with everything you said! And yea if Mako was uglyish the Makorra shipping wouldn’t be as popular. I honestly don’t care if Mako or Korra. were ugly. As long as they are truly in love with each other then I wouldn’t mind. :) and the whole the avatar falls in love with a person in the next nation of the cycle is most likely not true. Cuz if it were true, then that would mean that Korra would have to fall in love with either Bolin or another earthbender.

          • Ariana Moreno

            i know that that is subconscious when it comes to makorra shippers. looks is something i’m sure influences that ship big time. i mean think about mako, and zuko. compare the quality of the two. now what if i were to say that katara and mako should be together. wouldn’t you argue that she deserves better? a guy like zuko? someone who has dignity and respects women??

          • Loklover

            Of course! Katara is a strong independent woman who deserves way better than Mako. Zuko and Aang were both very respectful to women, I wish that Korra would go out with someone like them.

          • Ariana Moreno

            exactly. you’re getting my point it looks like. Katara was blessed enough to end up with someone like Aang, even if it wasn’t zuko like some of us had hoped. at least Aang took care of katara, and was there for her, was honest, genuinely loved her, and stuck with her through it all. and it wasn’t just based off of sexual attraction like i’m sure it was with both mako and korra and both mako and asami. i mean he broke up with korra. why would he say that he still loves her? if they love each other, they’d work through the hardships of their relationship, and make it work. if you love someone you will try your hardest to live through it all, the good and bad, not just throw your hands up and say, oh i’m breaking up with you, too bad so sad, but by the way, i still love you. not logical man. so, if katara was able to end up with an amazing person like Aang, who knew how to handle relationships, and who knew what he was doing in general, then why should Korra have to settle for less? She shouldn’t have to settle for crap like Mako

          • Sibis

            The “I still love you” line will last until either Mako or Korra find someone else to overwrite it.

            It’s normal to still be hung up on something or someone until things change.

          • Ariana Moreno

            i still don’t think it should’ve been said. it didn’t make sense to me when i first heard it. it took me a while to see what it really meant. but still. get my point? Korra deserves better than mako

          • Eliminator

            We’ll see whether Korra overwrites that. I am confident, that it won’t happen.

          • Loklover

            That was the biggest complaint that I had about the Makorra break up! If they loved each other that much then why did they break up? I just don’t understand

          • Ariana Moreno

            well, that is my point. he doesn’t love her. he sucks, and she deserves someone better like Katara, and Mai for that matter.

          • Loklover

            Wait… Wat do u mean SHE deserves someone better like Katara and Mai?

          • Ariana Moreno

            nooooo! are you serious??? She deserves a better man like these girls got XD my bad if that wasn’t clear

          • Loklover

            Hahahaha Okay now I get it now XD At first I was just like whaaah?? Lol

          • Ariana Moreno

            hell no. I completely disagree with gay pairings. yeah, i said it. i don’t care what people think. the bible states that marriage and love is to be shared between a man and a woman. other couples besides that, are not right. it’s not an insult, its just the plain ol’ truth. i have a right to state what i believe in. i know how people get over these debates, so i’m stating that now

          • Loklover

            Eh… gay marriage is okay. But I’m not a huge fan of it. I’ve seen gay people at my school, it doesn’t really bother me but it’s just awkward. That’s why I think that Korrasami is just ridiculous. Plus, I doubt that they would allow gay couples on Nick

          • Ariana Moreno

            gay marriage is not okay. i disagree. now, don’t get me wrong, i don’t make fun of people who are gay, judge, or mistreat them, but that doesn’t mean i have to agree with that lifestyle. it’s not okay.

          • Loklover

            It’s not a natural life style for humans. But if those people truly love each other and are happy together then that’s all I care about.

          • Ariana Moreno

            well, maybe that’s you. but for me, it’s not right, even if it is supposedly “real” love. it’s against what God made love to be. I can tell that this debate is bound to get heated, and I don’t want it to get out of control, so lets drop it here and now. You won’t change my mind, and you probably won’t change yours either.

          • Loklover

            Yes. I don’t want this to turn into something ugly. But like I said before, I respect your opinion. :)

            And you should be on like a debate team or something. Your beast at debating!! :D

          • Ariana Moreno

            well thanks. you aren’t bad yourself XD.

          • Eliminator

            You don’t need to doubt that, it won’t happen for sure. Seriously, Korrasami is ugly… I quit this discussion.

          • Eliminator

            Agreed. Male x Male and Female x Female shippings are wrong. In my opinion, shipping an adult and a teenager is as wrong as gay pairings…

          • Ariana Moreno

            so, would you still say that after all of this, you still ship makorra? if so, then you have some reevaluating to do :p just saying

          • Loklover

            I’m not saying that I’m completely giving up on Makorra, but you definitely gave me reason to understand why Mako is a douche and why Makorra isn’t a healthy pairing. I’m not that big of a Makorra fan anymore

          • Ariana Moreno

            hm. alright, at least i gave you some good inside as to why i believe the way i do, and why it isn’t healthy that others think otherwise. haha XD cool beans. at least you have been impacted in some way haha yea buddy X)

          • Ariana Moreno

            it was nice discussing with you! XD i had fun, if you did, then sweet! now you know where the real fun is! anyway, catch ya around the blog! again, good job standing up for your ideas Xp

          • Sibis

            One more reason why Makorra isn’t good for now, Korra cannot afford to be deeply negative anymore.

            As Iroh pointed out, she has to always be positive or the Spirit World becomes hell.

          • Eliminator

            Well, considering the fact, that Vaatu is “destroyed”, light and peace are dominating the next 10.000 years. It’s not that easy anymore to unbalance the spirit world anymore. And you can’t say, Korra mustn’t be angry anymore. It was fine in book 1 and book 2 till we explored the spirit world.

          • Sibis

            Korra can be angry. She just can’t be riled up to levels where it takes over and steers her like she was during the first half of Spirits, as in threatening to murder someone.

            It’s just not good for Korra to be with Mako because she can’t be dealing with that kind of heated emotional side anymore. In order to keep positive, she has to get rid of the things that make her feel negative.

          • Ariana Moreno

            i agree with sibs. Korra has way better things to do then to deal with emotional baggage like mako. i mean she would probably be upset if she found out how mako was going back and fourth especially behind korra’s back while she was gone. he’s only causing harm, not help.

          • Eliminator

            Honestly, I am still waiting for a confrontation between Korra, Mako and Asami about the love triangle. It is overdue!

          • Ariana Moreno

            see? even you are expecting a negative result from his interaction with them: confrontation. which means, he isn’t helping anyone. his character is detestable

          • Eliminator

            I know, I have already replied to almost 30 comments, but again, i have to say, wait till book 3 (and book 4). Zuko wanted to kill Katara (and especially Aang), he was an even bigger douche. And why? Because he wants to be fathers little favorite son again.

          • Ariana Moreno

            he was gonna bring Aang back to his father alive. he wasn’t gonna kill him, and who says he would’ve killed katara? is this an assumption? he had reasons for all that he did. yes, that wasn’t right, but for him his family relationships were important. he didn’t care about being his dad’s favorite son, because it’s obvious that his dad loved azula and was really only interested in her abilities. his mother was the one that really loved him for who he was, and he didn’t need to earn her love by being talented. azula suffered from that burden her whole life. zuko was trying to redeem his honor back so he could return home. he wanted the relationship with his father to be fixed. plus, isn’t that what it all came down to? how did he have much of a choice? he even let appa go. he’s not as much of a jerk as you are thinking. he deep down had good intentions, even if he didn’t carry them out properly, but mako has no justification for any of his actions. mako is just selfish, and has no logical reason why. he has no goal, but just to serve fans.

          • Eliminator

            Do you really think, that Zuko wanted to fix his relationship to his father? I saw him more in a negative way, that he just wanted to be the old prince again, living a luxurious life.

            Also, it took 6-8 episodes to change y mind about Zuko, i hated him at first, but these few episodes were neccessary to really like him at the end. It’s still possible with Mako. We don’t have much of a choice about Mako, he is one of the co – main characters, so he better develop and be together with Korra again instead of being a jerk the whole time in book 3 / 4., right?

          • Ariana Moreno

            yes i do. i do believe that he wanted that more than just being the prince, because even he stated in the episode zuko alone, he said son of ursa and fire lord ozai, prince of the fire nation, and air to the thrown. he already knew that his royal position wasn’t a question. so, when it all comes down to it, i do believe that his troubled relationship with his father and gaining his honor back is all he really wanted. because in that episode you see that he is confident in that no matter what, he was still destined to become ruler, and stay as the prince. plus just because mako is the co main character, doesn’t automatically justify him being with korra. like i said earlier, pairing up too characters just because they are main, is bullshit dude. it is. that doesn’t mean it’s right. just because it’s “bound or destined” to happen. now yes, if he can change, then good. i’m happy. but lets see how it goes, because time is running out, and there are way more things to get done then for mako to get the necessary development he needs, so i’m not sure how it will happen, but we’ll see.

          • Eliminator

            Let’s see – that’s a good point to end this discussion. I think I know enough, I have learned a lot about Mako, and like Loklover, I am not sure about Makorra at the moment, since Mako has some issues.

          • Ariana Moreno

            hm, i hope you did gain some knowledge about how this pairing isn’t a healthy one. i listed things after things during our debate so hopefully you see that as true arguing, and not me just ranting off for no good reason. but yeah, lets see what happens. thanks for discussing. good job arguing too :p

          • Eliminator

            Of course I value the things you listed. Also, you are a really good debater, I had much fun writing all this, even though I usually don’t like writing, as long as I am not chatting on facebook or doing homework :D
            Now book 3 mustn’t disappoint me, or I will stand there as an idiot, who believed, that Mako would develop and Team Avatar rebonded, and everything would be just perfect… Mike, Bryan – i trust you, you can do this! ^^

          • Ariana Moreno

            thanks! :) you got fired up as well, and it was awesome to see. and about book 3 and 4, we’ll see. we all have our hopes and speculations. lets just see if the creators can be geniuses like they have in the past, and make it good.

          • Eliminator

            Yeah, at least we dont need to worry about the animation since Studio Mir is animating whole book 3 and 4. Studio Pierrot did a bad job. And music is awesome, too, Jeremy Zuckerman won’t disappoint us.
            Now the story must just be as awesome as the rest.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah, i mean despite my views on mako, and makorra and all that, there are still other good things about the LOk series we can enjoy, and you listed a couple of examples. lets just see how it all goes.

          • Ariana Moreno

            are you getting tired of arguin? XD cause I’m still responding to your comments and stuff haha. you are tired of it aren’t you? i could do this all day X)

          • Eliminator

            It’s getting late again :p
            I see, I prefer not to respond, or you will just continue all the evening :D
            Maybe we can start something similar with another topic, but i dont have one in my mind currently…

          • Ariana Moreno

            oh so you are still finding my responses? i just argued why the romance is fan service. if you care to see how, look at the comment where you said it had nothing to do with fan service. but yeah, if it’s late, go to bed aha XD if there’s something else to talk about, I’ll definitely say something. otherwise, i’ll catch you around Xp

          • Eliminator

            yeah, it’s easy to find the responses if you have a disquis account… i wonder why loklover didn’t register… i mean she has to check the whole comment section to find responses to her posts.

          • Ariana Moreno

            i do too but whatever. i get email notifications. but yeah XD haha you see my point? anyway, yep. good times.

          • Eliminator

            I gotta remove the email notifications to the spam folder.
            I am just imagining we discuss Mako / Makorra in the off season after book 3… how will it be like :D

          • Eliminator

            My answer would be: I am waiting for book 3 and 4. About romantic arcs, it’s better to debate it after the story finished. Have you ever imagined to ship Zuko and Katara before Zuko changed at the end of book 3? It would surprise me if you say yes.

          • Ariana Moreno

            if you look up there somewhere, i explained why zuko is still way more likable and easy to care for even though he wasn’t on Aangs, side. Mako is just messed up though. At least Zuko was understandable and had a probable cause he was following. I honestly wouldn’t have minded zuko and katara being together even then. he seems like he had some real potential to be a good person. he never really was evil in the beginning, he just had emotional turmoil he was dealing with. Mako is just plain selfish and disrespectful to women.

          • Ariana Moreno

            looks like i got you to debate after all! you said you didn’t want to waste your time with it, but it looks like you ended up enjoying it after all haha XD see? when it comes to proving a point, it’s addicting. good job backing yourself up and explaining your reasoning. that’s much more like it

          • Loklover

            Yea once this debate started I became addicted haha. It was fun! :)

          • Ariana Moreno

            I do have to say, do you see why it is that I don’t understand makorra shippers? this whole debate should prove to you and explain to you why i have a hard time understanding makorra shippers, and why it is that they see Mako is worthy of Korra, or any girl at all

          • Sibis

            It’s like having Mako say he still cares about Asami in Air. Nothing more than to save face for Mako.

          • Ariana Moreno

            still. do you get my point woman?? XD he sucks big time. he’s an ass. and i hate him. Korra and even Asami, deserve a man who will respect them and take care of them, not act like Mako did.

          • Sibis

            Not just women, Mako is in short supply of respect for anyone or anything.

            He pretty much proves that rules and regulations don’t mean anything when they hinder his righteous cause.

          • Ariana Moreno

            exactly. you get it now. do you see why i have a hard time understanding makorra shippers? if they just stopped to think about what Mako is really like, then it’d be easier to realize that he doesn’t deserve Korra or Asami and they both deserve a better man too

          • Sibis

            Like during the Probending arc when his personal issues nearly finished the team three times.

            Drives away their Water Bender.
            Mako and Korra issues nearly messed up one match.
            Bolin was near to quitting the team.

          • Ariana Moreno

            you see? even you are beginning to list reasons as to why mako is a douche. exactly. do you see now? so, can you honestly say that you still ship makorra after this huge debate we just had? if so, then you have some reevaluating to do. just saying :p

          • Sibis

            Never been a fan of Mako or Makorra.

            He’s just a character in a world that validates the immoral behaviors and actions.

          • Ariana Moreno

            shall I take this as you saying “forget I even mentioned supporting it” ? XD

          • Sibis

            It’s cool.

            Hiroshi Sato was right about Mako, despite how twisted he was.

            Mako exists in a show that is trying to be dark and edgy while making the case it’s acceptable. Book 2 had Korra and Bolin try something more dark or edgy. Korra tried to murder a judge. Bolin forces a kiss on a bound Ginger.

            Mako in Plot B never really serves a point except to exacerbate the others in order to make him look righteous. In the end, he was never meant to bust Varrick or to save Asami’s company. The main goal was to make Mako right and everyone else the enemy for that period in time. Then he gets rewarded for a half-ass job.

          • Eliminator

            Korra is hot headed, and she wasn’t going to kill the judge, she just wanted to free her father. Well, she would rather kill the judge than let her father get killed. Understandable, it’s Korra.

          • Eliminator

            You said, you liked Zuko. He was shit in book 1 and book 2. If he had not changed in the later episodes of book 3, I would still have hated him. See? We needed about 6-8 episodes to change our attitude of Zuko from hate to like. Same can happen with Mako. About Asami, she really doesn’t care about respect? She was a bad friend to Korra, and she is a blind lover, if i can say so. If she was Korra in the finals, she would definitely not break up. Let’s take her out of this discussion and limit it to Mako and Korra. consider me a Asami- hater ;)

          • Ariana Moreno

            alright, granted in that asami also contributed, but Mako, being the gentlemen you claim he is, should’ve handled things maturely and properly. he should’ve taken leadership. but he just stepped back, and took any opportunity he got to get the best of both korra and asami to serve his own satisfaction. again, this goes back to what he did in front of Bolin. how is that justified? he’s a douchebag. plain and simple. why people like him, i don’t understand, because he has more issues than strengths.

          • Eliminator

            He did care about Asami, he proved that in “The Sting”. You dont have to love somebody to care about her.

          • Eliminator

            They broke up because the fear, that they will start arguing again. Their jobs put a strain in their relationship, it’s time, that they learn, how to deal with that. If i were you, I wouldn’t give up Makorra that early. We have 2 exciting books still, time enough for some development.

          • Loklover

            I didn’t say that I’m completely giving up on Makorra. I love them to death!! :) I’m just sayin that Ariana is starting to question my thoughts in Makorra.

          • Ariana Moreno

            and they are good questions to think about as well. i told you i wouldn’t wanna be with a guy like mako even if i was payed to do so. i listed many reasons why, and i believe that Korra deserves better as well. people who find good in mako are illogical to me, because his strengths are far outnumbered by his weaknesses and flaws.

          • Ariana Moreno

            hey now, calm down lol. I did also say that if mako can change my mind, then i won’t’ mind the makorra shipping. but time is running out and there’s a lot to be down with Mako’s development, and improvement and significance as a character. lets see what happens. if he can change my mind then awesome. but if not, then i’ll still hate him, and the shipping. we don’t know for sure, but my point is that so far, mako hasn’t proven that he’s worthy of praise, or a girlfriend.

          • Sibis

            Iroh wants Korra to stay positive. Else his afterlife retirement turns sour.

            It’s good she got rid of that sack of negative emotion.

          • Ariana Moreno

            Korra deserves better than mako, so that is why i don’t understand makorra shippers, despite all of the obvious reasons as to why Mako is not worth shit

          • Eliminator

            ^^ you are making a cross-over between ATLA and LOK? If that was possible, some things in LOK would happen differently.

          • Eliminator

            We didn’t see much of Zukos love life in ATLA, so why do you think, that he is respectful and has dignity? It’s something you think / guess, but the show itself doesn’t tell you the truth. In ATLA there was no competition for the shippings, and that’s why we didn’t have to fear something like a love triangle in Airbender.

          • Ariana Moreno

            i’ll get back to you. i gotta go, but i will certainly have something to say about this. i’ll be on again later to argue back

          • Eliminator

            Im looking forward to it :)

          • Ariana Moreno

            he stuck with mai the whole time. he respected her and didn’t go off trying to be with another girl. not only that, but from zuko’s style and personality, you know that he would’ve been loyal if he was being chased back and fourth. romance wasn’t really his thing, and he didn’t come off as the show off flirtatious type either. he had the right set of values as a friend, so therefore, it would carrie into him as a partner. which goes back to my other argument that mako’s values are messed up and it hinders his ability to be a good partner as well, and a friend. romance was more of a thing for mako. i think it’s pretty safe to believe zuko would’ve handled it better. not only that but he hesitated with the girl he took out when he was working at that tea shop. he wasn’t all over her and chose to get romantically involved, just because he was being approached. mai was his love interest, and it stayed that way.

          • Eliminator

            Not the next nation, it was said, that the avatar only falls in love once. Anyway, it has nothing to do with the looks of them (well, Korra is awesome and pretty, Mako – no comment, I am a boy, but they are indeed a cute couple). Borra is awkward, sorry, but I hated the Bolin – Korra moments in “The Spirit of Competition”.
            Katara and Aang weren’t a really cute couple, but I was still a Kataang shipper.

          • Eliminator

            You really think that Makorra is just a compensation for Zutara fans?

          • Ariana Moreno

            yes. it was to make up for the fact that zuko and katara didn’t end up together like most were hoping, so they came up with another fire/water couple, and it happened to be korra and mako. that’s what they were trying to do was satisfy disappointed fans from atla that Aang and Katara ended up together instead.

          • Eliminator

            This is speculation, or is that confirmed by Mike or Bryan?

          • Ariana Moreno

            well i mean it’s kind of obvious isn’t’ it? they knew that fans were hoping for katara to end up with zuko, but it didn’t happen. now that they have korra and mako -fire/water, it’s kind of a huge coincidence for it to be just an accident. it’s fan service buddy. fan service

          • Eliminator

            No, the fan base was quite split 50-50. I would even say, Kataang shippers were the majority.

            also, fan service is importan, too. imagine, the creators do exact the opposite the fandom wants.

          • Ariana Moreno

            well, is there proof in that the majority of shippers were kataang? do you know that for fact? and okay, so lets throw out the idea of majority, verses non majority. fan service is important, but not when it’s overdone, and not when it hinders the real point of the plot. epecially when fan service only helps some, but not all fans. if there’s gonna be fan service, it should be where the creators know most fans will be happy. but like i said. the real point is that fan service has the potential to be dangerous as well, because then it distracts fans and it ruins, and hinders the characters and their development. why do you think the creators are dropping the romance thing? because they say it ruined characters and angered fans. that’s proof that fan service can go too far.

          • Eliminator

            the love triangle was too far, and it had nothing to do with fan service. We all hated it.
            Okay, let’s say, Makorra is fan service, but most of the fans would be happy if the love triangle never existed, and would support that shipping.
            Romance is not the problem, just how Mike and Bryan made it a drama was seriously terrible.

          • Ariana Moreno

            romance is fan service. people like mako and asami, so therefore, that pairing is fan service for them. people like mako and korra, so that is fan service for them. therefore, since they are trying to do two shippings at once, to try to please both sides of fans, it turned into the love triangle. when it comes down to it, fan service is really what started this whole thing.

          • Eliminator

            WHO DARE TO LIKE MAKO AND ASAMI?! Sorry, Masami is still a sensitive topic for me…

          • Ariana Moreno

            haha, do you see my point? XD it’s fan service. all of it, even if you have to dig down to the core to understand it, and how and why.

          • Eliminator

            I am glad that the love triangle is finally over. Anyway, i wonder why they excluded Asami in book 2. I mean, fan service? :D At least we see, that Mike and Bryan ran out of ideas to include Asami… I am happy with that. The Asami-fans surely had a bad time.

          • Sibis

            Asami did have something (saving FI) for Book 2, but she was just a tool for Varrick and Mako story.

            Just like in Air, Asami was mostly a tool for the sake of the story.

          • Eliminator

            No, Loklover! Her words are poisening your mind! ^^

            You shipped Zutara? wow. I wasn’t a fan of this shipping, to be honest. Aang and Katara were just closer to each other.

            Just to make something clear. I was never and will be never a blind fan of Makorra. If, and I promise that, if Mako is dating Asami happily in book 3 without any feeling, that it is wrong, then, I will join the “Mako go away”-group. At the moment, I remain neutral about Mako.

          • Loklover

            Oh Masami isn’t a good pairing at all. There was never Love in their relationship. Mako only fell for Asami because of her looks and becuz she sponsored there team, so he felt like he owed her. And back to the Atla dayyz, yes I was a fan of Zutara but back then I wasn’t that big into shipping certain characters. I only started liking Zutara in book 3, but I also liked Aang too. Atla had a lot of good shippings, but Lok only has one pairing that truly love and care for each other, Makorra. That is why I ship them.

            Oh and I’m a girl by the way (: I saw on another comment you called me a “he” lol

          • Eliminator

            LoK has only one good shipping, Makorra, because all the other characters are even worse than Mako. Bolin – he is a idiot. seriously that Nuktuk movers was a joke.
            Asami – I think, we discussed her enough and we can simply say, get her out of the show. Iroh – well, we have not seen him very much, and I doubt, that we will explore his private life… could be a possibility in book 4.
            Who else is a teenager and is worth mentioning? Tahno surely not.

          • Ariana Moreno

            i think there are a lot of flaws with the characters in team avatar. but who’s to say that’s why korra should settle for mako? because he’s the least worst out of the worst? no. that argument doesn’t make sense. if he’s bad, in a group of other bad characters, then he shouldn’t be worth korra’s time at all. plus, mako is just as much of a joke as Bolin, and Asami, even if it’s for different reasons about their characters, and their flaws.

          • Ariana Moreno

            poisoning? you mean enlightening. and you are a blind makorra shipper if you fail to back up why, and try to deny all the bad things mako did to the two girls. and what makes his character a bad one, if you wanna deny that all and just like the ship for no good reason to back up why, that’s being a blind fan. it’s just the truth. at least i’m backing up why i believe otherwise. you do the same

          • Eliminator

            You know, that “Her words are poisoning your mind” is a quote? Eska said it, when Mako convinced Desna, that his father is a monster.

          • Eliminator

            I dont think, Korra was aware of the truth after she fused with Raava. I guess she only remembered, when Mako decided to tell her the truth (well, at least a part of it). That caused Korra to get the lost memories back, and of course Korra did not know anything about Mako and Asami at that time (she would have killed him for sure).
            And I don’t think Mako treats girls like that in general, it’s probably just this Asami-Korra conflict, but whatever, what he did was not correct.
            When he will break up with Asami for good, then I think, he developed. Currently he is not aware, that he is hurting them both (Korra and Asami) so much.

            About Korra… she will always love Mako, it’s kinda funny, but true. I dont know, where I read it, but there are rumors, that avatars geneally only fall in love once… And if Mako realizes his mistakes, it will be fine.

          • Ariana Moreno

            she even explained that when she was in the tree of time, she got her memory back. mako wasn’t aware of this till after their little talk at the end, so if he goes and kisses her even though she knows deep down, and he doesn’t know she knows, he’s crazy. he’s with asami! and just because you dislike asami doesn’t mean mako is more innocent with the way he treats girls. if you dislike asami, then that’s a completely separate thing, and it doesn’t give mako the right to treat both girls like shit. korra even explains that she got her memory back in the tree of time. so therefore she was aware. yeah, if korra ends up with mako then that sucks, unless he does change. but we’ll have to see about that. he has 2 books left, and there’s so much to get done with other things.

          • Eliminator

            just watched the scene again,, and you are right. I guess Korra wanted to forget about that break up, too and pretended like nothing happened?
            I dislike Asami for the love triangle. Her whole purpose in book 2 wasto recreate it. What has she done else? Let’s say, if Asami wasn’t there, we wouldn’t even know, that Mako is such a jerk –> Vote for Asami exclusion.

          • Sibis

            Even if Asami was gone, there would still be a female nonbender character there around the same age range. Chasing after Mako just like Asami.

            The group dynamic will always mirror the TLA. One Avatar, two benders, and a non-bender all in the same age range. Two guys and two girls.

            Only option is to scrap the love triangle.

          • Eliminator

            We’ll see. I have nothing against asami, if she gets useful again and stops this failing relationship with Mako. He broke her heart twice, isn’t that reason enough?

            The love triangle was a terrible idea, I wonder, why Mike and Bryan implemented it at all.

          • Sibis

            It was an experiment for drama. LOK was never meant to actually be a copy of TLA.

          • Eliminator

            Yes it never meant to be TLA, but i hoped, Mike and Bryan would at least just let the fans be happy with Makorra after the end of book 1. How wrong i was about that…

          • Eliminator

            Also, c’mon, Vaatu and Unalaq threatened to take ove ther world, there were more important things than telling Korra, that they break up, and besides that, he still loved her. He didn’t care about Asami in that moment, and personally, I don’t mind that :p Asami… why do you even exist, things would be much easier without you :/

          • Ariana Moreno

            dude. mako still could’ve handled things better more maturely, and responsibly. it doesn’t matter why he did what he did, it was wrong in the end. he doesn’t know how to be the right person. there’s no excuse. you can’t deny mako is detestable. just look at everything he did. going back and fourth between korra and asami, being unloyal, dishonest, and using the both of them for his benefit. just look at everything. he doesn’t love her. he would’ve done a better job of being a good partner if that were true, now due to my limited time on here i won’t have time to explain why, but look at my paragraph rants and they explain it all. what’s your good reasoning as to why mako is a good lover?

          • Eliminator

            That’s unfair :( Loklover summarized exactly what he and I wrote in the comment section of another post some time ago. And that counts as his back up? :p

          • Eliminator

            At first I wanted to post that comment on the facebook group, that’s why it was that offending, but I don’t like to post with my real facebook account in a fan group, and it would take ages till I get accepted with another fb account, so i decided to post it here instead. Should have edited some parts though.

          • Ariana Moreno

            if you wanna know something, i didn’t even bother to read it. i was going based off of what you and lok said about all of those who dislike mako. korra? yeah i agree that anyone who dislikes korra shouldn’t bother watching the show especially since she’s the main character and it’s her show. that’s illogical, but mako? He is detestable. we aren’t haters just because we believe so. we have reasons and logical ones to back ourselves up. that’s what got me started, was you guys simply saying that anyone who doesn’t like mako is a hater and “fuck them all” is what you stated. so that fired me up to argue why there are good reasons to hate mako. korra though, i don’t’ understand, but mako, yes, he is detestable

          • Ariana Moreno

            believe me though, it’s kind of nothing personal generally speaking, because you aren’t the only one to call me out on saying something about you not responding fast enough. someone else complained that I seemed to have called them out on not responding quickly enough as well, but what can i say? i’m aggressive. for me arguing is done with no hesitation, at least on purpose. that’s the way i roll XD

          • Loklover

            No no no no!! It’s all good! You’re just a strong debater. :D

          • Ariana Moreno

            thanks XD thanks for being so mature about it

          • Eliminator

            I can’t reply that fast on my iPhone, besides, did you know how late it was in germany?

          • Ariana Moreno

            that’s fine. however, i did explain that i’m an aggressive debater, and i usually expect a reply quickly. arguing in my eyes is supposed to be then and there, for me, if someone takes forever to reply, i automatically think the person is chickening out. that’s just the way i roll.

          • Eliminator

            well, you can’t expect me to check the site every 2 minutes, I usually chat on facebook at the same time while reading this blog,

          • Eliminator

            Yes, it’s rather pointless to debate that, but well, i have fun and that’s why I am that active here.

            Also yeah, I was sleeping when you, Ariana and Heisenberg had that tough “conversation” (it was more likely a fight).

          • Ariana Moreno

            debating is what makes it more fun! if you say stuff without expecting others to disagree and question, then that’s just lame, and i take it as an excuse to not argue and back yourselves up. that’s the whole point of a comment/debate section. and Heisenberg and I agree on many things. Who’s fighting? We are hardcore debaters, what’s wrong with that? We were both agreeing on how Mako is useless, and a pathetic detestable character. if you care to back up why you disagree, go for it.

          • Eliminator

            I’m sorry, that I didn’t reply, but since I am in Germany, I don’t enjoy to accept challenges, when I should be asleep. And no, I am not a blind fan, who just likes Mako, regardless how he acts. I guess, you just dislike him too much, that you misunderstood my comments.

          • Ariana Moreno

            dude, no. you don’t understand. if you like mako, despite all of his obviously outweighing negative aspects to his character, then so be it. you must be a pretty loyal fan. however, i am the type who likes to see reasoning. why? Why do you like him so much? I just want to see you back up why as supposed to saying, oh I like mako, he’s cool. first off, i disagree, but what i really wanna see you do is back up why you think Mako is a good character, and why others should feel the same. i just wanna see why. Because i fail to see anything good about mako, the only thing he did was compensate for the zutara pairing.

          • Eliminator

            yeah, loyal fan suits. He got my support in book 1, and that’s why it needs more to destroy my first impression about him.
            Despite the romantic aspect, he is a good friend. He is always ready to fight for his friends, and he is also a friend, who you can talk about your problems.

          • Ariana Moreno

            a good friend? no not really. he doesn’t consider anyone else’s feelings. he’s selfish, and disrespectful to girls. it goes back down to him being a bad partner. if someone is a bad parker and their values are messed up, don’t you think some of those shitty values are gonna carry into their normal relationship/friendship values? i mean he isn’t a good friend at all. just because you can talk to someone doesn’t mean they are gonna be of any help. did Mako cause more help or harm in the series? was he useful or useless? is his presence in team avatar gonna make or break the team’s accomplishments? is he needed? are his flaws outweighed by his strengths? i think No is what you can answer to all of those questions, so therefore, Mako isn’t worth anything, and isn’t a good character at all. Compare Zuko and Mako. look at the huge difference. I mean even though Zuko wasn’t supposedly “lovable” till book 3, you still feel for him. He was burned by his father, disowned, and he spent most of his time trying to earn back his father’s respect, love, and trust. He was doing everything for a probable and understandable cause. Mako? Pssshh, the guy has no reason for the things he does, at least probable reasons. He is selfish, and just a jerk. You don’t care for mako like you do zuko. Even I had a lot of sympathy for Zuko, because you can see that he was fighting for something better in life: love and appreciation. Honor. Mako is just a jerk with no depth or reason. again, tell me how Mako is worth any praise at all? His presence doesn’t make or break team avatar, and he has only brought along with him emotional baggage for everyone around him. ex- Bolin, Asami, and Korra.

          • Sibis

            Mako only appears helpful just like Bolin and Asami, when there is something that brings them together that overshadows the problems.

            Vegeta when he teamed up with Goku and co. because Frieza was the bigger threat.

            The problems and questions are still there, they just don’t matter at the moment compared to the bigger picture.

          • Eliminator

            I wouldn’t call it “argue”, it sounds so hostile, but we all discuss things in a friendly way, don’t we? We might disagree in some points, but have the same thoughts on other aspects. Anyway, I like to share my ideas and get to know others opinion, even though I know, that other fans might completely disagree with me in a few things.

          • Eliminator

            I doubt, that your article gets published, if it contains anything, which offends Mako directly. I hope you wrote it in a neutral point of view.

          • Heisenberg

            Nope, there isn’t any insults just criticism on each character, not all negative. It’s like a comparison between the old and new Team Avatar.

          • Eliminator

            I guess, at least Korra and Tenzin got some positive points? Both of them deserved that, especially in book 2.

          • Heisenberg

            Sure, but I didn’t talk about Tenzin since he’s not technically part of Team Avatar. However, if I ever did talk about him, it’ll all be positive for sure. He’s my top LOK character and he is just killing it as an Airbender, a mentor and Aang’s son.

          • Ariana Moreno

            so any word on your article?

          • Heisenberg

            Nope.

          • Ariana Moreno

            hm, maybe he doesn’t like it or agree with it and maybe despite your efforts he may think it will cause too much arguing XD that’s just my guess. hopefully it’s just that he’s busy or something

          • Heisenberg

            Maybe because it’s too long. Because, it was about 1000 words long. But, if I want to compare both old and new characters it is bound to take some space. He knows how to manage his website and I wouldn’t be mad or disappointed if he doesn’t post it but just knowing if he at least got it would be helpful, if you know what I mean.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah, i get it. who knows

          • Sibis

            If it’s too long, you could probably do it as a two parter.

          • Heisenberg

            You’re right. But, it’s easy to read so anyone can read the whole thing in less than a minute.

          • Toph

            Whoa, Whoa, Whoa Miss Fussybritches, whats wrong with being blind?

          • Ariana Moreno

            oh nothing, but when people like things and don’t know why that gets irritating, especially when they try to make it look like others who disagree are the idiots, when they really have ways to back it up.

          • Toph

            *cough* you have to look at my name to get the joke *cough* *cough*

          • Ariana Moreno

            i know it’s a joke. i’m clever enough to know that, but i wasn’t sure if you were being passively serious XD

          • Eliminator

            Mako sucked in this book 2, “but he suffered from the influence of the creators”. I bet, if he didn’t revive the love triangle, everybody would still like him? I usually ignore the love triangle stuff because that was really poor made, and I like his friendly, sometimes serious, sometimes cool attitude, calm and cared about Korra. I liked him, till episode 5 in book 2. I also liked him in book 1. But Bryan and Mike messed him up in book 2 – sadly.

            (btw: that’s not a reason to dislike my comment :S )

          • Ariana Moreno

            hahah there you go, you said sometimes. He’s inconsistent with the good parts of his attitude. i mean you don’t even need the love triangle to prove he’s detestable. He was a jerk right off the bat when he met korra for the first time in book 1. He was disrespectful and condescending to the other member on the fire ferrets, the guy korra replaced. If his flaws outweigh his strengths, then he isn’t that good of a character. i just gave you two examples as to how he can still be an idiot without the love triangle.

          • Eliminator

            both examples can be weakened…

            - Mako thought Korra was only one of Bolins fangirls and he is very focused before a match. He wasn’t very nice because everything can distract the team. He changed his attitute after noticing, that she is not just a girl but the avatar…

            - Mako and Bolin don’t have much money, they need to win the championship and the prize. Ofcourse he can’t accept it, that a teammate is doing more harm than good in a match.

          • Ariana Moreno

            it doesn’t matter. he gave me a bad vibe from the beginning. look, overall, the guy is detestable, no matter how justified his actions are. he’s useless and is only a harm if anything to team avatar. how can you not see all of his flaws? look at everything. you can’t deny the guy has issues. sure, you can like him, but what my point is is that i feel like anyone who likes him is illogical.

        • Ariana Moreno

          so, you think people who think Mako is an idiot automatically makes them just haters who don’t know what they’re talking about? I mean try putting the situation to life: would you really wanna go for someone who switched back and fourth between you and another girl? Would you wanna go for someone who has no consideration or respect for you or the other girls feelings? There are so many reasons why I think Mako is a problem, and there are reasons to back it up. Logical ones. if you have noticed, there are many others who can say the same and back up their thoughts as well. Am I considered just a “Hater”? Or are you someone who is considered a blind fan and doesn’t care about how important it is for this character to be okay. Why do you ship them? Why do you think we should like Mako? I’m just being honest. What makes him so good? He could’ve handled the whole situation with Korra and Asami a lot more maturely, and could’ve considered their feelings, and respecting them both, but he didn’t.

          • Eliminator

            There is a true difference between people, who dont like Mako, and people who hate him. I personally don’t like him at the moment due to the aspects you already mentioned. But… I believe he can change, and that he will develop and regret the mistakes he had done. You are right, Mako is not worth a relationship now, he is a jerk. However, I still think, Makorra is the best shipping, although I completely understand you, and believe me, I am as mad as you are at Mako.

            Haters are people, who thinks: “F*** Mako, get him out of the show, or i stop watch LoK, Korrasami is much better!” And before you say something, yes some people really act like that.

            Yes, he kinda deserved to be excluded, but then I would miss him. He is a important part of Team Avatar.

          • Ariana Moreno

            eeeeh, alright, believing he can change, is something I can understand. But time is running out. He has two books to change my mind. but, please, will you show me how he is important to team avatar? i mean when it comes down to it, he didn’t do much. Korra could probably get stuff done without him. Yes, he contributed in some minor ways, but i don’t think it will make or break team avatar if he’s around, or if he’s gone. I don’t see how he is that important, so please, prove me wrong

          • Eliminator

            Same can be said to Bolin. And I have already excluded Asami. So the new Team Avatar consists of Tenzin and Korra. great… -.-
            Well, it really happened this way in book 2. Can’t really deny that, they did not do much until the finals.

          • Ariana Moreno

            Exactly! They seemed pretty useless to me. In book 1 at least it appeared that the members in team avatar were a little more promising in getting things done and being useful, but even then, it still seemed like they didn’t reach their full potential. yeah, book 2 shows you how useless team avatar was especially since everyone was split up and had their own little sub plots, like the nuk tuk crap, and mako playing mr.detective. so, all in all, I still fail to see how Mako is useful in team avatar, and how his presence or not will affect the team at all. he isn’t that important and don’t get me started about Boin. He’s a freaking clown who only provides comedy, and distractions from the main plot in the show. at least in book 2, that’s all he could do. maybe book 3 won’t be so bad with that, but we’ll see.

          • Sibis

            I do question why Mako is still with the group. He’s a disturbance, fickle, and hesitate.

            He also harmed Bolin using his Fire Bending to scald him. I can’t find that funny since it was a Fire Bender that used Fire Bending to murder their parents.

          • Sibis

            The murder of Bruce’s parents is a reason why Batman would never use a gun.

          • Ariana Moreno

            yeah. See, I just feel like it’s blind fandom, with no logic when it comes to people supporting mako and claiming that he is a help to team avatar, when in reality he is useless and even harmful

          • xmas-o-menos

            SHEESUS!!! YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TOOK ME TO GET TO THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION?

          • Ariana Moreno

            thank you!!! you get it

          • Ariana Moreno

            I mean another thing is that just because it’s “destined to happen, or has to happen” doesn’t mean it’s right. People thought that Zuko and Katara should’ve ended up together, but she ended up with Aang. Not that it’s much of a problem, but I do admit that many fans including myself, were disappointed. I personally preferred Zuko and Katara together, because I felt that they fit better together. It seemed like Katara’s feelings towards Aang were influenced but the way he kept insisting that they be together and how he loved her. That’s how I see it. it’s the same here. People want Mako and Asami together, but sadly like you said, he probably is bound to end up with Korra. This doesn’t make it right. Now if he can change for the better, then I won’t mind as much, but he has to change first. For people to ship without a good reason, can get frustrating, especially if the character doesn’t know how to be respect others.

          • Ariana Moreno

            why would you miss someone like Mako? even you said he was a jerk.

      • Eliminator

        I don’t know, Iroh is a too serious guy, he is general and prince of the firenation. Doubt, Korra would suit him.

    • Sibis

      Korra and Iroh. They have a really good relationship and strongly respect each other. He did try to put his neck out there for Korra to help her. Then after the President stopped him, Korra didn’t hold it against Iroh and was very understanding.

      Someone like Iroh would be good for Korra over Mako.

      • Loklover

        I’m only shipping Korroh if Makorra doesn’t work out. But I really like Iroh! :) Dante basco’s beast!!

      • Eliminator

        Ok I give up. You are really the complete opposite of me. I accept it…

    • jinoira

      You, sir, have just started the longest discussion in http://avatarthelegendofkorraonline.com history.

      • Eliminator

        I know, this is a very controversial topic. Im happy i started it, it’s good to know, what other people think about the romantic arcs and the characters involved in that.

    • Sibis

      Lets flip the discussion.

      Nick got their way and Korra is a male.

      No love triangle. No Makorra. Unless they make Mako a girl.

      Korra and Asami

      Anyway, this could have been an interesting potential that Korra is dating the daughter of an enemy. Even setup something between Korra on bender vs. non-bender issues.

  • Mike
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    Guys, new information about LoK book 3. Check out the video!

  • Zurrdroid

    Indian here, and I just wanted to point something out. In both Sanskrit and Hindi, earth is ‘Bhumi’ with a sort of exhale between the ‘b’ and ‘u’ sounds. Close enough, I suppose.

    Also, the ‘earth’ it translates to is somewhere between ‘the world’ and ‘the lithosphere’. Food for thought, if anyone wanted to know.